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Monday, May 01, 2006

A Ride With the Rosh Hakollel or Secular Education V

On a recent post, pro-ban (the commenter, not the deodorant) wound up a comment with:
"Trust the gedolim. They have more experience than us" (last post).

It happens that at a recent family simcha, I was privileged by the Baal Simcha to give a ride home to the Rosh HaKollel who spoke at the event.

Trying to make conversation, I asked the distinguished Rav how his kollel is doing.

The dam broke.

Rav X said that he has 90 avreichim in kollel, an unprecedented number, and that many should be out. He asked me if it is not odd for a yinger man to be learning with his married son or son-in-law all day in kollel. He then continued (paraphrasing from yiddish) 'when I learned in yeshiva in Eretz Yisroel (Chinuch Atzmai) we learned English and math. Now, I know that I don't speak English well. Nevertheless, I can make myself understood, and I had no problem passing the reading and writing portions of my citizenship exam. I'm better at reading and writing than at verbal skills.
My yinger leit,however, have no language or math skills whatsoever. So where should they go? And when they ask the Rebbe, they are frequently told to stay in Kolel! (Shrug)'

Beats me, pro.
Care to take a shot?



Anonymous dave said...

Is this kollel in America or EY?

10:36 AM  
Blogger Leapa said...


12:16 PM  
Anonymous deerson said...

how far does one trust another person? Chayyaecha Kodem. concerning financial matters and personal matters my Rebbeim have taught me trust no one except the One Above. Or to put in the vernacular to thine own self be true.

6:31 PM  
Anonymous dave said...

once again, what in the world are you trying to say?

10:18 AM  
Anonymous deerson said...

in shamayim when the real questions are asked the one accountable is yourself for your own actions no one will be there to stand in your defense except your Torah and your Maasiim Tovim. which includes providing for your family

1:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


11:18 AM  
Blogger TheProf said...

I'm not sure if this is the same kollel as the one that is resident in my shtiebel. At any rate, often I've been privilged to observe the kollel yingerleit at "work". many of them look extremely bored since they honestly don't think they belong there. they would be much happier, definitely better off, if they would go to work. Or (heaven forbid) take some occupational course or even Touro College. The upshot of this situation being that instead of their kollel years being a foundation for the love of Torah, their bored experience gives them a dread of learning. They start out life with a bad taste for torah in them. And why are they still there? Because they dread peer pressure that somehow they aren't "holy as thou". Or their father or even father-in-law would be ashamed of them to their own peers for having a son who isn't "as holy as thou". Lousy isn't it?

2:39 PM  

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